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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:36 am 
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The USERS have contractually guaranteed Radionomy that they own all the rights and have all necessary authorizations for reproduction and communication to the public on the Site, as concerns COPYRIGHT, related rights, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS, use rights, and in a general way THEY GUARANTEE RADIONOMY against any third-party action.

So when I read well, the Producer is held responsible for this... in other words : we have to pay !?

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Radionomy has the role of a technical intermediary and host only

and not for paying royalties !?




RADIONOMY please we need clarification and an official reaction

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:26 am 
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Hello,

It means that Radionomy demands that the radio producer guarantees that he holds all property rights (read: it has much of the necessary permissions for use) on the original content (eg, audio clips, text, jingles, images , information) that offers on the site.
The radio producer should ensure Radionomy here in case of "illegal content" (eg use of a trademark as radio name (the name or logo of his station), use sounds or jingles whose paternity is then claimed by a third, etc ....).

Radionomy covers broadcasting rights (copyright and neighboring rights) for the music files legally purchased.

See also clause 7 of the Producer Pact.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:48 pm 
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Domi wrote:
Hello,

It means that Radionomy demands that the radio producer guarantees that he holds all property rights (read: it has much of the necessary permissions for use) on the original content (eg, audio clips, text, jingles, images , information) that offers on the site.
The radio producer should ensure Radionomy here in case of "illegal content" (eg use of a trademark as radio name (the name or logo of his station), use sounds or jingles whose paternity is then claimed by a third, etc ....).

Radionomy covers broadcasting rights (copyright and neighboring rights) for the music files legally purchased.

See also clause 7 of the Producer Pact.


Hi Domi
I'm Sorry but IT seems a bit different "property rights" from "permission to broadcast / reproduction"...IT Looks like that those mentioned are the "broadcasting rights" (see "rights payed for reproduction/broadcasting) that are also in the producer pact...

I appreciate you probably know better the situation. It would be great to tell the producers that you have an agreement in place with someone, somewhere. Anyone, anywhere...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:49 pm 
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I'm shocked that I didn't see this thread earlier. When I started my job as paralegal for my lawyer 6 months ago, he asked me about my radio station and copyrights etc. We spent great detail talking about who is liable and what producers' responsibilities were and radionomy's responsibility. He was concerned about copyright issues, and I explained to him what I had been told and what I read and discussed with radionomy moderators at the time I joined more than 4 years ago. I, as producer, was responsible for bringing only material that was legally purchased, of which of course I have all proof such as amazon.com receipts, etc. and I would be covered by radionomy as long as I met their listener hours minimum each period. Going back and changing a contract is not at all legal if we the producers did not sign new agreement with them.

Big Thanks to Mrod198524 for posting the screenshot. If I was smart I saved the doc on my computer somewhere but I don't know where. If anyone else has any of these docs saved, please be sure to share it with everyone.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:40 pm 
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Radio 1: www.gospeljazzradio.com

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Domi:

The statement you made in this thread:
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Radionomy covers broadcasting rights (copyright and neighboring rights) for the music files legally purchased.
Is not mentioned in the Producer's Pact as specifically covering the PRO licensing fees. The language is vague. It defines "original content" as musical creations but never clearly says that Radionomy is responsible for paying PRO licensing fees of legally obtained music tracks. The language seems to leave the door open for too much interpretation without accountability for the PRO fees.

In the following statement from the Pact.. the words "musical creations" ... leaves one to believe that ANY musical creations.. and ANY folders created (which could include music) are to be considered "original work". This is, at the very least, confusing and ambiguous. I would like to see a phrase that says.. "Radionomy shall be responsible for paying all PRO fees of Producer's legally obtained music tracks, and holds Producer harmless for any neglect to pay those fees since the reporting to PROs and the payment process is not within the control of the Producer."

Under Definitions in the Producer's Pact, it states: Content: All original content originating from the Radio Station Producers. In
particular information, data, texts, sounds, messages, photographs, videos, musical
creations, jingles, audio sequences, images, and other folders created and placed
online by the Radio Station Producers and constituting “original work” of the Radio
Station Producers (as defined by Copyright Law) and for which the Radio Station
Producers are the original rights holder and for which they own all the rights solely


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:47 pm 
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Mrod198524 wrote:
In case the crap hits the fan I took a screenshot from Radionomy's website claiming they cover music licensing. Their quote: "We have got you covered. We cover all the music licensing necessary to stream online. You just program the music and content you love."


Yep. And right next to that quote is a big copyright symbol ©, further clarifying what RN's music licensing covers.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:42 am 
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Exactly. I wish certain people here would stop acting like moderators when they're not. lol[/quote]
Yeah - trying to create order out of chaos wasn't popular when the universe was created either. ;)[/quote]

Let's move that comment to the "God Complex" board.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:25 pm 
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1. The RN music library doesn't exist anymore but all the songs we have copied from RN library into our own music boxes are still there and are still being broadcast.
What about the royalties and music rights for those songs ?

2. Radionomy has changed the Producers Pack but the RN website still mention the existence/use of the RN music database.
And the Music Licensing Coverage telling us that Radionomy covers all the music licensings.

3. Radionomy is a Belgium based company, so copyright & royalties & music rights are to be paid to SABAM.
Radionomy hasn't payed any compensation to them since last year, they are still negotiating with SABAM.
But in the meantime, nothing is paid... are we still covered ?


All those things making us, the Producers, a little bit confused.
Time to clarify some things because the way they treat these very important items is indeed a little bit scary.
Isn't it ???

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:30 pm 
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Ben:

Very clearly stated, and my sentiments exactly.

So, you're in Belgium whether the mother-ship is located... and you're worried? Then those of us in the USA should be even more concerned about the lack of attention by RN to the licensing issues. How can we have confidence in a service that promises to cover our license fees, then they default on those fees which jeopardizes all of our efforts?

RN has a serious lack of a clear, "values-driven" corporate culture and mission. The governance of their legal obligations is downright neglectful. They are on a downward path. They need a fresh "restart" and maybe even some new leadership.


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